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Av8r3400 added a post in a topic Airventure 2014 17 Jan 2014

If you can do it, try for CWA (Central Wisconsin - Wausau) or Green Bay (GRB).

It will probably require a connection from ORD, MSP or DET. (If you're not afraid of planes with propellers on themâ€¦)

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C5Engineer added a post in a topic Airventure 2014 17 Jan 2014

Larry I put my vacation in the books today. I will start looking for plane tickets soon. Assuming Milwaukee??

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C5Engineer added a post in a topic WANTED: 72" prop for soob belt reduction pusher 17 Jan 2014

Thanks everyone he is not set on Ivo he's just trying to stay on the cheap and has the room to run a large diameter prop.

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akflyerbob added a post in a topic WANTED: 72" prop for soob belt reduction pusher 17 Jan 2014

C5
I have two sets of iVO pusher blades
I'll measure them tomorrow and post a pic "maybe" on the pic

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Av8r3400 added a topic in Avidfoxflyers General Hangar 17 Jan 2014

Airventure 2014

Vladez at Oshkosh!

Who needs a better reason to come to the Mecca of Aviation? A STOL competition!

Yaaaaaa!

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1avidflyer added a post in a topic WANTED: 72" prop for soob belt reduction pusher 16 Jan 2014

I've got a like new 74X52 Culver prop that came with my last Avid MK IV. I think it was for a 618 Rotax, as the 74X49 Culver is what came on my first MK IV with a 582 and it was just right. It's a left hand, not sure if that's what you need or right hand. Jim Chuk

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lostman added a post in a topic Wanted: transponder 16 Jan 2014

yeah, I know, the stupid legal vs. safe debate has just been opened up. However since I'm a professional pilot, my career hinged on being legal and not being violated!

I fly the Teenie all the around the area without a transponder but that's because I have no electrical system and it was certificated in 1975 that way and grandfathered in like all antique aircraft that didn't have an electrical system. Wish I could claim the same for a new homebuilt...oh well, that's the price to pay I guess.

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dholly added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

On a mobile now so will direct you to this link now for some answers and check back in later. http://www.teamkitfox.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=2524

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lostman added a post in a topic WANTED: 72" prop for soob belt reduction pusher 16 Jan 2014

Is he set on having an Ivo or would he consider something else? Never know what I'll run across. Plus I custom build props from wood.

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banjoplayer added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

Hey Doug:
You are correct regarding the engine mount from Bruce, it is for a Jabiru.
Below is an excerpt from Mark Shindler on the Avid Unofficial Home Page

I had flown my new setup for another 60 hours when I suffered a bent fuselage in a hard landing. I took my fuselage to Florida where a friend of mine repaired the damage.
In the meantime Steve W. offered a "fat" Avid fuselage which added 16" to the length, 4" to the width at the seat and 8"-10" in the panel. I've decided to make that upgrade.

It appears it is a Fat Avid Upgrade Fuselage.
It has the counter-balanced rudder (I love the looks of it) and I believe differential flaperons.
I took the liberty of checking your profile and it seems you have a few irons in the fire, along with the Fat Avid.
You are correct regarding the engine, it does not have one.
That will require a ton of research to determine what is the best (most cost effective) choice.
The Rotax 912 is the immediate choice, but seem to be pricey.
Because the aircraft is being registered here amateur / home-built, it allows me quite a few engine options.
I'll be looking for suggestions regarding the ideal power-plant, but realize it is a subjective topic on its own.

The wings are off of Bruce's previously registered and flown Avid Mk IV ... D? and have been fitted to the fuselage by Bruce.
I have not had them on yet but he assured me they were installed and set by him.
One thing I was not completely crazy about was that the wing spars did not line up with the cross tubes on the fuselage and he had to move the vertical pivot tubes slightly back in the cross tubes.
They are no longer center in the cross tubes, and this is something I may have to address with doublers or repositioning,
Are you aware of this problem with spar alignment?
No avionic gauges or instruments came with the aircraft.
The Mark IV was registered and flown by Bruce, so the Wings, Wing Struts, Horizontal Stabilizer and Elevator have all flown
On the MTOW, I am hoping to get it rated for 1232 pounds. (Maximum Gross Weight that can be flown with a Canadian Ultralight Pilot Permit)
The Standard Mk IV with heavy hauler wings I believe is rated for 1150 lbs
On the Canadian Aircraft Registry Website, all registered aircraft list their Gross Weight and I have found several Mk IV's rated at 545 Kilograms (= 1200 lbs)
The Airdale site says the Gross Weight can be bumped to 1400 lbs, but with your input regarding my Fuselage I may be misinterpreting it.
You indicate that there are some safety concerns I should be aware of.
Is there a forum you can direct me to that discusses them?
Are there some significant ones I need to address before starting?
It seems as though you are fairly knowledgeable with respect to Fat Avid's and any input from you would be greatly appreciated.
With the current status of Airdale, I was a little more than apprehensive about purchasing the Avid, but after perusing this forum realized that there was more than enough support to take this project on,

The Airdale is the production version of John Larsen's renowned "Pursang". John took his original Avid MkIV "Hauler" and highly modified it to suit the popular 4 cycle, 4 cylinder horizontally opposed 100hp Subaru EA81 auto engine. Engines now include Continental and Rotax.
Modifications to the original Avid included the following:
-Fuselage stretched by 16" to give better ground handling and CG flexibility.
-Tow piece, easy to install, 74" wide track aluminum landing gear.
-Re-raked windshield.
-Simplified control system which incorporated differential flaperon controls.
-Redesign of cockpit structure to remove tubes from behind seats giving easier access to a larger baggage area(55 gal. drum size).
-Individual, fully adjustable, easy to remove tilt and slide seats.
-Belly structure in footwell area modified to give extra leg and head room.
-Double tailspring for better resilience to rough terrain landings.
-Wider cockpit and doors to accommodate larger pilot and passenger.
-Redesigned cowling to accommodate greater range of engines.
-Modifications to Avid wing to increase Gross Weight capability to 1400 lb.
-Full stress analysis to comply with JAR regulations at 1400 lb. Maximum Takeoff Weight.

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EDMO added a post in a topic WANTED: 72" prop for soob belt reduction pusher 16 Jan 2014

Joey,
There were some Warp Drive blades and hub and prop - pushers - on ebay recently. I need the puller blades. Your Dad and I must think alike - I almost made a HC using the 532 engine. I repaired a big HC too.
EdMO

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EDMO added a post in a topic Wanted: transponder 16 Jan 2014

Evidently, he is not in Alaska!
EDMO

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EDMO added a post in a topic Superflite Instruction Manual Mistake!!! 16 Jan 2014

Doug,
One of our members said those Magnum Finch tips were real eye-pokers!
I had read the theory of those tips being angled up a little to shed vortexes better, but decided not to make them after reading his comments.
EDMO

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dholly added a post in a topic Wanted: transponder 16 Jan 2014

legal?

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dholly added a post in a topic Superflite Instruction Manual Mistake!!! 16 Jan 2014

That is unbelievable Ron and, YES, they are negligent and at risk for product liability for knowingly failing to correct their product instructions. Problem is, even though you've been 'damaged', the level does not rise to the point of forcing recourse economically... and they know it.

Sooo, it would seem to me, their failing to take corrective action on such an important item as their own installation instructions for an aviation product that is clearly critical to safe flight says a LOT about the company or people running it. This has lost them my product consideration and, if I were in your shoes, any product endorsement forever. Good luck, I hope they reimburse you for the material costs at the very least which is simply good customer service, and fix their product instructions. Thanks for posting.

P.S. - I LOVE the look of those Finch tips on the Magnum wing!

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RDavidson added a post in a topic Superflite Instruction Manual Mistake!!! 16 Jan 2014

Ed,
You are right, I have friends that have used the Stewart system and love it, plus it doesn't have those nasty chemicals!
I didn't want to cross systems since my fuse and controls were already covered with Superflite.

Next time it is Stewart all the way!

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dholly added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

Welcome banjoplayer. Good plan, I like the way you roll!
You have a Fat Avid upgrade fuselage from [old Airdale Aircraft] with (hopefully) Mk-IV wings and lift struts, not an Airdale Flyer fuselage or 'stretched' Avid fuselage (all different). The wings and lift struts will determine your gross weight rating. What M.T.O.W. did Bruce tell you? It can get a bit confusing, especially when adding Avid parts onto a Fat Avid upgrade fuselage, and you really have some very important safety considerations to understand. Has it ever been registered?

In any event, we have enough collective Avid Flyer wisdom here to provide support for you, and even have an active 'Fat Avid' specific forum if need be. Don't be afraid to ask questions, in so much as the Fat Avid fuselage upgrade never came with a dedicated builder manual. My Avid+ kit actually came with a Mk-IV manual but does have additional notes and pics specific to the Avid+ so I do what I can. Randy and Willis are already flying their planes and will be a great resource if you are planning for Sube power, and Chris is learning to love his Avid+ too. Looks like your project has no engine but the cowl was lengthened to accommodate something other than Rotax power perhaps?

I am sure all questions (yours and ours!) will be answered in time, but it is exciting to have another member join the Fat Club. Pretty soon we're going to have enough Avid+ and Fat Avid owners to have a real party, or at least convince the others that all these models actually do exist, LOL! By all means, do keep us posted on your project. Especially pictures, we love pictures and Leni promised unlimited bandwith, hehe!

Doug aka Fatbastard builder kitfox flyer

[edit] Ha, I see we cross posted. I thought I saw Bruce hawking a Jab 2200 engine mount on BS?
BTW, if you think two was bad, you should see the reaction the third project gets!

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banjoplayer added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

@ Horsepower, the only family member who isn't completely on board is the wife.
The 2nd airplane really caught her off guard.

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banjoplayer added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

Yes this is that Avid.
Bruce is still on Barnstormers with an engine mount for a Subaru engine that fits a Standard Mark IV fuse.
It would not fit the Airdale Fuse.
He owned and built the mk IV the wings and tail came from and bought the fuselage in 2005 I believe.
He is currently working on a Zenair 701 on floats which prompted him to sell the Avid Plus project.
We hammered out a deal near the beginning of December and I picked it up from his place in New York State Dec 28th.
The project has now taken over all of the garage, a significant portion of the basement and part of the back yard.
Airplanes are definitely an "In Your Face" hobby.
@ Horsepower, the only family member who isn't completely on board is the wife.
The 2nd airplane really caught her off guard.

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lostman added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

Welcome to the board. I just joined a couple weeks ago and I'm loving the wealth of knowledge and information available here.

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Chewie added a post in a topic Mark V for sale 16 Jan 2014

He doesn't feel comfortable anymore being PIC. Feeling old perhaps.
Yet another reason I want to start building NOW and not when I'm half dead!

Oh - you're right about it being a one-off. I asked John if he were to build another one, how he would go about it. He said he couldn't - Brett McKinney has the jigs and tooling, and John doesn't have plans.

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Chewie added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

Is this by chance the ad that Bruce-somebody posted? It was a fat avid in New York. Had blue and white covering on the wings, red seats...

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horsepower added a post in a topic New Fat Avid owner 16 Jan 2014

Welcome Banjoplayer, Hope you and your family enjoy your new bird.Any questions you have about it Im sure can be answered on this site.Wont hold the banjo thing against you because I play one also,only Im not good at it. Randy

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banjoplayer added a topic in Introduce yourself 16 Jan 2014

New Fat Avid owner

Good Day All:
I figure it is time to surface on this forum.
I am Jim Rainbow and have just purchased an Avid Plus project from a Barnstormers ad.

Some info about me:
I reside in Uxbridge Ontario Canada (about 50 Kilometres or 30 miles NE of Toronto)
I am currently in the process of getting my license and have about 20 hours of lessons behind me and am loving the sport, as I knew I would.
As well as me taking lessons so are my 2 sons and soon to be Son In Law in a Challenger 2 I purchased 3 years ago which needed about 18 months worth of repairs before I could fly it.
Did a lot of work to it including repainting the fuselage after some hefty fabric repairs due to the local squirrel population taking up residence int the fuse and wings.
The Challenger is rated as Basic Ultralight in Canada which places some restrictions on its operation which I am not prepared to live with once I have my license,
The Avid is the next step for me having been approved by Transport Canada to be imported to Canada as aircraft parts and registered as a "new" amateur built aircraft, which allows me to fly without helmets and carry passengers, it also allows me to fly into the US (Oshkosh here I come !!!)
My plan is to have the Avid finished in 1 1/2 to 2 years. Which is coincidentally when I will have no further use for the Challenger as I believe by the end of this summer (2014) we will all be licensed, I then want to install the Amphibian Floats on the Challenger over the winter of 2014 /2015 and get some training for all of us on water before getting rid of the Challenger and start flying the Avid.
In my head this schedule seems to work.

Enough about me and now about the project.

I have purchased the following:
Airdale Fuselage (This is the fuselage owned originally by Mark Schindler a current member listed in the builders list)
Avid Mark IV Wings, Horizontal Stab and Elevator from a previously flown MK IV with Heavy Hauler Wings
Grove Landing Gear with Matco Brakes
A Large Roll of Dacron purchased by Mark S
The project is going to require a complete recover and paint (which I am really looking forward to as I love spray painting as a hobby), the fitting of the wings, and Horizontal Stab and Elevator to the new fuse along with all the other things I will have to do once our inspection agency sees it.
(See Pictures Below)
Anyway, I am sure I am going to get lots of use from this forum and look forward to sharing the journey from what I have to what I see flying in my minds eye.
My plan is to update my progress via a photo journal of sorts.
Hope to interact with you all soon
PS I DO play banjo .... don't hold it against me.

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dholly added a post in a topic Mark V for sale 16 Jan 2014

The plane had a significant amount of next-level engineering, I really like the cabin structural improvements and foot wells. For better or worse, the new owner will definitely have a one-off plane with an interesting heritage. Did John mention why he decided to sell?

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