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Well I have my DAR inspection setup for April 3rd.  However, when he sent my initial paperwork to the MIDO they came back and said that Avids are not on the "approved kit list" so I will have to prove that I built 51% or more.  To do this the DAR fills out a worksheet that shows the work that was done by the manufacturer and the work that was done by me for each section of the airplane.

I have no doubt that I can prove 51%, but I was wondering if everybody else had to do this?

I know there is no common sense when it comes to federal regulations, but you would think this kit would have been approved by now?  Or that the fact that it is basically just like a kitfox might make sense?

What did you guys experience?

BTW the FAA is sending two guys to look over the DAR's shoulder...Yipee!  They did this to my buddy Jon too!  What do I care at this point?  I just want to get airborne!

 

Here is is the location of the Approved Kit list

https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/kits/media/amateur_built_kit_listing.pdf

Here is the checklist to prove 51% that the DAR will use

https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/kits/media/AmBuiltFabAssyCklistFW.pdf

 

Thanks,

Ron

 

 

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Ron,  I may be mistaken, but I thought that YOU had to fill out the Scratch-built (forgot the FAA number) sheets that prove you did 51%, if not on approved list?  I thought this had to be submitted to get your inspection approved for that airplane, before inspections could be scheduled.  Please let me know how it turns out.  I know that form has to be filled out for my scratch-built, since it was not from a kit.   It could be that since Avid is no longer in business that the Kits are no longer approved?   EDMO

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Ron - as someone who is working on completing an Avid kit, I'll be interested to hear how this turns out for you. Good luck!

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Funny .I got the two faa shoulder hangers too .

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If the FAA is going to send two guys over just don't have your DAR show up. Then they will have to do it for you for free. If they will be there anyway what is the difference? You're right, none of it makes any sense. I see that the Kitfox are on the list, realistically it shouldn't have made any difference since they are so similar. I guess they do take into account that the pull sheet is different so that kicks it out of the list. Sounds strange to me. 

 

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I had a dar send me the list when I was going to finish my SkyRaider. Looking at the list it didn't seem like a big deal.  It would have made the 51% rule. I didn't start the kit, but he said we could work that out.

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I'll definitely let you guys know how it goes...once I fill out the paperwork I'll try to remember to post it so others can follow my lead.

ED,

The 2nd link I posted above is the paperwork you are talking about, I'll post a copy when I'm done...You aren't going to have any problem reaching 51% with your exotic bird!

Ron

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I'll definitely let you guys know how it goes...once I fill out the paperwork I'll try to remember to post it so others can follow my lead.

ED,

The 2nd link I posted above is the paperwork you are talking about, I'll post a copy when I'm done...You aren't going to have any problem reaching 51% with your exotic bird!

Ron

Ron,  I have already looked at the old forms for scratch-built, and did some head & ass scratching trying to figure out some of the numbers, but discounting the factory-made parts, such as Grove landing gear, wheels, brakes, engine, prop, tanks, etc., but including the assembly of all of them, I should be somewhere around 90% or more, I guess? 

Good Luck to you on the inspection, and we are all waiting for a detailed report.  EDMO

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I was just looking through the list of airplane kits, and see that it does not list the Kitfox 1, 2, or 3.  It starts with the Kitfox 4.  Maybe the updated list is for currently produced kits and/or from companies that are currently in operation.  The company that produced the early Kitfoxes is gone and so is Avid.  TJay, did you list your Kitfox 1 as built from parts or as a kit?   JImChuk

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I was just looking through the list of airplane kits, and see that it does not list the Kitfox 1, 2, or 3.  It starts with the Kitfox 4.  Maybe the updated list is for currently produced kits and/or from companies that are currently in operation.  The company that produced the early Kitfoxes is gone and so is Avid.  TJay, did you list your Kitfox 1 as built from parts or as a kit?   JImChuk

My is registered as built from a Kit, we'll see what I have to deal with this year too.

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The reason the Avid and any other kit that has went out of business is not on the approved list is the manufacturer must apply to be on the list.  In other words there is no path to get on the list without the manufacture doing the necessary paperwork to be approved. 

My DAR had me complete the form before he came down to do the inspection.  I sugggest that you do the same, it will save you at least an hour of time with the DAR and you are the one that is required to fill out the form and sign it anyway.  It really is pretty simple once you get into the  swing of it.

the 3rd will be here before you know it that is exciting, it's getting close to that big day now!

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Thanks Paul!  I did exactly what you said, filled out the form and sent a copy to the DAR.  The FAA has now delayed us to the 12th and my DAR actually got fed up and told them to either be there or too bad!  No more changing dates...

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Thanks Paul!  I did exactly what you said, filled out the form and sent a copy to the DAR.  The FAA has now delayed us to the 12th and my DAR actually got fed up and told them to either be there or too bad!  No more changing dates...

Ron,  I don't know what you have done as far as runups and checking things, but you are allowed to taxi-test your plane before an inspection - Just NO FAST TAXI which could get you in trouble on the ground or possibly airborne, and that is a NO-NO!  Guess you could pass some time that way while waiting to help the days pass easier?  EDMO

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I fail to see how the feds have control over seeing your DAR inspection. He is qualified to do it with or without them there. This boggles my mind. 

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You are right lostman...I think the DAR might be subject to some kind of FAA oversight, but not this...This was a chance for the FAA to try to understand their own rules!  My buddy had the same thing happen and they spent 2 hours explaining the 51% rule to the FAA guys.  As long as the date doesn't slip again I'm ok with it, but if they try to move the date I'm calling BS and will ask the DAR if he wants $400 or not!

If this plane is unsafe I kill myself, but that old man that goes and buys the biggest RV on the road is good to go!

I'll stop there...before the crazy train jumps the tracks :)

Ron

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